I'm a libertarian from texas. I'm warming up to your movement because I took the time to notice that your political activism is actually resulting in real libertarian gain, that is holding back regulations, keeping taxation down and blocking socialism gaining gun rights and also reducing abuse of the police. But after originally viewing the discussion forum of FSP and here I thought you were a bunch of confused socialists who think they are libertarians because they want the right to smoke weed and marry each other. I believe that weed should be regulated like alcohol and both less regulated and that an adult should marry the person they wish to marry but economic values are even more important. So am I correct? Are you real libertarians (capitalists) who are in fact effective in your activism but your message forum is full of left wingers trying to spin this thing into a failure? Lots of libertarians I ask here in Texas about the FSP seem to think you are not a real libertarian movement but socialists who want to smoke weed in public and we thought this because of all the pro- "socialist libertarian" and "anarcho-socialism" crap we read here.
Welcome.
Smoking weed in public is no more than us trying to get one more pointless prohibition behind us. I am a 420 activist and I don't go out there to smoke to piss people off. I go to get marijuana legalized. I do not believe victimless "crimes" should be concidered crimes.
I can't speak for others, but in my case, I'm fairly new to understanding rights and freedoms. I do not concider myself a libertarian, but I do fight for the same causes and now knowing the rights that have been being held back from me, concider that high on my priority list to get.
Welcome! ;D
I am a voluntaryist. I support the Non-Aggression Principle, a completely free market, absolute respect for self-ownership and freedom of choice, property rights, and no taxes or regulation on anything. All government should be voluntary.
I think most Keeniacs and freestaters would be described as anarchists, anarcho-capitalists, voluntaryists, and similar. A lot of people don’t use labels, so just look around and see what you see.
There are a handful of left-libertarians, mutualists, and similar on this forum. They seem to post and argue their positions disproportionately to their numbers here, which may give the impression that “freestaters are socialists” or somesuch.
Welcome to the forum. I don't believe there should be any laws concerning weed or marriage, for or against.
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I'm a libertarian from texas. I'm warming up to your movement because I took the time to notice that your political activism is actually resulting in real libertarian gain, that is holding back regulations, keeping taxation down and blocking socialism gaining gun rights and also reducing abuse of the police. But after originally viewing the discussion forum of FSP and here I thought you were a bunch of confused socialists who think they are libertarians because they want the right to smoke weed and marry each other. I believe that weed should be regulated like alcohol and both less regulated and that an adult should marry the person they wish to marry but economic values are even more important. So am I correct? Are you real libertarians (capitalists) who are in fact effective in your activism but your message forum is full of left wingers trying to spin this thing into a failure? Lots of libertarians I ask here in Texas about the FSP seem to think you are not a real libertarian movement but socialists who want to smoke weed in public and we thought this because of all the pro- "socialist libertarian" and "anarcho-socialism" crap we read here.
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Hello and welcome. Please name the anarcho-socialists besides Anarchojesse who regularly post here. I'm not sure how one or two of them have given you such an impression.
The supermajority here I don't think would self-describe in that manner. I am a voluntaryist.
Also, note the collectivism in your post where you claim to be speaking for a "we". 
You will find many in this movement who share your values, aliendroid. This is the best libertarian movement in the world.
Hello and Welcome
I personally identify as an anarcho-capitalist, however I hold the opinion that many of the problems the mutualists see in capitalism are, in fact, problems with state capitalism, as opposed to a free market. I don't partake of cannabis, or any other legaly prohibited drug, though I don't have any desire to impose my standards on others. There is some bias here towards the cannabis activism, as many see the "War on (Some) Drugs" as the biggest threat to liberty, however any discussions about other liberty issues that I have had here, have shown me that it is not in any way the only issue for the activists in the area. The "Anarcho-socialists" are noisy, but few in number, don't let them guide your thinking.
So the antics of the "anarcho socialists" really ARE destroying the liberty movement?! Who would have thought!
As for political activism, there are already 4 Free Staters in the State House. A much larger number in various towns and cities throughout the state, serving as aldermen, school board members, etc. That doesn't get discussed nearly as much on THIS forum, so if that's where you want to focus, check out the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance.
With regard to weed and marriage, I won't speak for anyone else, but I will say that the Free State Project isn't a collective; it's a number of individuals. Each person focuses on what issues interest him or her most. For some people that's weed, for others it's taxes, or marriage, or gun rights, or some combination of issues. If something doesn't interest you, you are in no way obligated to participate. But if something does, you're guaranteed to find individuals here already working on the issue and happy to have you lend a hand. Or if you can't find anyone, then you can start your own thing.
I think what you're referring to as "libertarian gains" is coming from activism at the state house; pestering lawmakers and reading bills and getting the word out about them. I don't think Keene itself and those who call themselves "Keeniacs" or whatever are generally a part of that (except on an individual basis of course).
I'm sure there's more positive press that the Keene area of the FSP could get than the impression that's getting around.
Perhaps it's just that a 420 or other attention-grabby activities are easier to do and publicize?
I'm curious as to how the "they all wanna marry each other" idea was gotten. I hear of some people proclaim being a libertine, or some who are simply vocal about their sexual practices or pursuits thereof (it is a lot of dudes and perhaps that's just how guys talk about those things). As to marriage itself, I hear very little of it.
As to myself I don't 420, and am personally burnt out on some of the ire against certain social norms.
Welcome to the forum though!
Welcome. As you are likely aware, the freedom lovers in Keene and the FSP aren't exactly the same thing in people, thoughts or actions. This forum is an excellent place to learn about freedom and action in Keene. The FSP forum is likely a better place to learn about the FSP in general.
I'm someone that likes freedom and enjoy spending up to 100 hours a week, depending on what is happening at the time, trying to increase it. I'm not a capitalist or leftist or anything like that. I just love freedom and I'll end this post with my favorite saying, Live Free or Die.
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I'm a libertarian from texas. I'm warming up to your movement because I took the time to notice that your political activism is actually resulting in real libertarian gain, that is holding back regulations, keeping taxation down and blocking socialism gaining gun rights and also reducing abuse of the police. But after originally viewing the discussion forum of FSP and here I thought you were a bunch of confused socialists who think they are libertarians because they want the right to smoke weed and marry each other. I believe that weed should be regulated like alcohol and both less regulated and that an adult should marry the person they wish to marry but economic values are even more important. So am I correct? Are you real libertarians (capitalists) who are in fact effective in your activism but your message forum is full of left wingers trying to spin this thing into a failure? Lots of libertarians I ask here in Texas about the FSP seem to think you are not a real libertarian movement but socialists who want to smoke weed in public and we thought this because of all the pro- "socialist libertarian" and "anarcho-socialism" crap we read here.
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Yes, I believe in freedom across the board. The government should not be involved in marriage at all, and what you put into your body is no one's business but your own. I believe in property rights, and that markets should be free, which means no forced taxes, fees, etc.
To sum it up, I believe in the Non Aggression Principle – which means that aggressive violence, or fraud, against persons or property is always wrong. In other words, the only appropriate use of force is in self defense, or defense of innocents, from the aggression of another. I think you'll find the overwhelming majority of people here agree with these basic ideas.
In the larger free state movement, there are more "moderate" libertarians – they believe in a small coercive government, rather than no aggressive coercion at all. Also, this site tends to focus on civil disobedience more, while the larger free state movement has a great deal of inside the system political activism as well.
ttie just described me pretty well. I'm a free market libertarian (note the small-L). I've heard you on the FSP forum use the term "far-right capitalism" to describe libertarianism and I couldn't disagree more. That's an authoritarian approach where you seem to support the imposition of a very strict notion of property rights. This is why labels on libertarianism bug me. The reality that we're all going to have to face before we can challenge statism is that none of us will get to define those sorts of hard lines.
The truth is there are lots of lines getting drawn and redrawn in a free society and such things will evolve over time and be ever-changing, whether it's the lines defining legitimate claims on property or whether a young person can consent to certain acts, etc. These lines will form out of disagreements and the hopefully mostly peaceful resolution of disputes between parties of such disagreements, rather than handed down by some falsely-glorified authority figure(s). That's why these recent endless debates about what constitutes legitimate property are so tedious for me and I just ignore those threads. Go masturbate. It's about as useful as those debates are at this stage of The Revolution. More useful, probably, since it's good for prostate health and can be a lot of fun.