Future

NH Exit
#21

[BTW, I agree about the borders and the airport, although the US might not blockade us in our port.]

I am happy to quibble about any given point. No one can truly say what will happen. My concern is the happy-go-lucky dumbasses that deny that anything bad will happen and think that the transition won’t absolutely wreck NH’s economy for at least a decade.

One thing that is a bit more outlandish is the US might encourage Canada to invade. Neither country is likely to want a new state and Canada already put down the truckers, damn the consequences. Canada openly spys on US citizens for the NSA who can’t do it legally. Why not step it up and roll in tanks? Would Canadians fire if fired on by the US? It doesn’t seem impossible.

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#22

I think they might do a lot of things… I just think that in the
long run, things will work out in favor of the secessionists,
assuming that we have overwhelming support from the
citizens of New Hampshire. Without the support from
that overwhelming majority those who voted for secession
would have their hands full trying to run a country without
the support of a significant majority of the people.
Personally, I think we should include an item in any
constitutional amendment or law that says we need
75% or even 80% voter approval… not a simple
67%.

As to financial situation… there would be considerable
difficulties at first. I think that we should become
financially independent PRIOR to any secession
vote. I also think that we should have our own
banking system, phone and internet connections
that will work without the satellites, and a communication
system that will be able to contact a network outside
of the state, perhaps HAM radio operators, or other
radio, and television too. Those signals will cross
state boundaries, and can be operated from regular
towers, like the old days.
I would say that plans should be made for these
things, but that if implemented too early, would
probably stimulate federal action against us as a
precautionary (and pre-emptive) step on their part.
We should probably make sure that there is enough
food available to last at least over the winter, canned
food or whatever.
We would also want to have internally available
energy systems in place. We can do without
gas, but electric is important. There is nothing
gas can do that electric can’t.
We should also have plans and personnel in
place in case of an invasion from anywhere.
Civil defense might be extremely important.
We should also be able to easily and quickly
put in place the way that commercial
institutions react. Large companies like
WalMart would have to be able to immediately
incorporate in the new country, and actually,
those plans would probably need to be already
enacted the day following the vote. I.e.,
something that says that they will take effect
immediately upon a passing vote.
Border crossings would also have to be
manned prior to the vote, so that any
passing vote will trigger an immediate
transfer of control to New Hampshire.

There are other things, I’m sure, and I hope
the secession study bill passes, so that
we can begin doing at least some of these
things now.

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#23

Who are the happy-go-lucky s?
Are they in certain groups or locations or?

#24

The US could give $100b to Canada’s nazi battalion who could fight NH. Then people can put Red and White flags on their cars, houses, online personalities. Then Trudeau can tour the world raising money for the freedom fighters defending Democracy. Then the US can send them old munitions to fight a Spring Offensive after the next Mud Season. Social Media Platforms can censor Pro-NH extremists.

BTW I am not sure that NH’s economy will be wrecked for a decade afterwards. Was Norway a mess after they split with Sweden in 1905 … or Estonia after they left the USSR?

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#25

The US has chosen sides with Israel against Gaza.

Can you think of any way to stop paying for this other than NHexit?

#26

No.

I believe that every country/state/nation must make their
own decisions. We should be as neutral as possible.
Personally, I think the decision to remain neutral is more
important than “…any way to stop paying for this”.
I don’t take sides in the israel-Hamas war. Not my
decision to make.
Nor will I complain if others want to take sides.

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#27

When I say happy-go-lucky, I am talking about most of the people that I talk to about secession in NH. The vast majority seem to have never considered any of the negative ramifications or they just don’t care. They think that since they would be happy living without power, like it is 1840 or something, that everyone else would. Ian comes to mind.

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#28

66.7% would be enough for me to consider it to be a fair vote, but I would love to see a poll on the subject. “What is a fair percentage in a plebiscite for a state to secede from the US?” A) 50.1% B) 66.7% C) 75.1% D) 80.1%

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#29

If you aren’t paying Federal Income Tax, you really aren’t paying for the war. Mostly, the money is being inflated into existence, but I get your point.

The 2 ways to exit from the IRS is to give up your citizenship and to move to a US Territory. So, you could do that.

Well, the Philipies, Palau and the Marshall Islands aren’t doing as well as Guam and the US Marianas. If you were to make a plebiscite in the countries if they wanted to return to the US, I bet they would do it.

1905 is a long time ago and I don’t know how Sweden would have felt about it. The USSR was gone when Estonia split. The US is the most powerful nation in the world and we are talking about splitting the nation. They aren’t going to take it well. We would be lucky if they took it as well as they took Cuba splitting off in the 60’s, which wasn’t too well. Yes, I think 10 years of wrecked economy is fair, but I would be interested in how long you think they would blockage or attempt to financially cripple NH.

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#30

regarding paying for war and refugees:
I am boosting that article for people in general to think about, not what any of us are doing.
I don’t pay Federal Income Tax, but I currently pay MC/SS and various taxes like fuel. I would guess the Feds are also getting so much out of every company that I trade with and most of their employees that they have to pay for.
I am not sure if the Feds would block our port or airport. I would move forward with peaceful decentralization anyways. This current situation needs to end.

#31

I’ve been thinking about the ports problem.
The US might stage a strategic takeover of the seaports
and airports after a secession bill has been approved
for the ballot. It would have been planned well in advance,
but executed at some random, secret day and time.

They might claim that outsiders are coming into the
state to aid the secessionists, thereby creating a
potential national security risk.
They might claim that the ports would unduly interrupt
trade, causing an economic disaster.
They might claim that the US has a compelling interest
in the ports.
They might claim that without the security measures in
place that potential enemies of the US would pose a
security threat to those proceeding on to US destinations
outside of NH - you know, those TSA agents that will
pat you down, hold you until you give them the passwords
to you computer, send you through those imaging machines,
etc.

Technically, they could not use military troops against
Americans on American soil. But they could claim that
the military is there just as a preventive measure.

We could counter that if the US is so concerned,
that they could do all those same security checks
at US-NH border if freight or persons decide to
continue on into the United States.

There are reasonable responses to anything they
might do, but of course, we can’t count on them
to be reasonable.

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#32

I have continued to think about the things Mark has suggested
It appears to me now that having Quebec next door might
cause problems with Canada.
If Canada believes that a secession in NH will embolden
Quebec to become more aggressive in their bid for independence,
that perhaps they might actually do all the things Mark has
suggested, to make an example of NH, to let Quebec know
that they had better just shut up and accept their position.

Then again, any action by Canada to interfere with secession
in the United States might be trigger that leads to Quebec
independence.

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#33

New Hampshire currently ranks 2nd among states in BroadbandNow’s annual rankings of internet coverage, speed and availability.

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#34

For this movement or something similar to it. Everyone should consider a radical alternative. Like building a new country. In one concept I have. TO get there, I have plan to start many what I call money purse companies. Then research the designs I have and hope to have something built within a decade. But I cannot seem to get out the starting gate money wise. To start the one business costs millions. But has projection revenue projections of two to three times that startup cost. Finding a business partner willing to help me take the risk is not easy.

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#35

One survivalist’s perspective on a second civil war.

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#36

Where would you like to build your new country?

#37

today’s podcast

updates
http://nhexit.org/?q=node/74

#38

Our opposition:

#39

Looking at the origins of the concept and realizations of Self Determination

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#40

8 states that lost population from 2022 to 2023.

I can add to his analysis that LA was probably the worst Southern state during Covid.