FTL Discussion 2017 Week 48

Free Talk Live
Sunday 11/26/2017 to
Saturday 12/02/2017

Free Talk Live
Free Talk Live 2017-11-26
Nov 27, 2017 at 00:11 · 2:01:35
Bitcoin - It’s over $9,000! :: What is the Tether? :: Franken Breast Grabbing :: Dave in NY :: Thor Ragnarok :: Chappie :: Girl Sues Atty General over Cannabis :: Fixing Bitcoin? :: Bitcoin’s Competition :: $300 Billion Cryptocurrency Market Cap :: Breaking out Forked Bitcoin :: Economics in One Lesson :: HOSTS - Ian, Jonny Ray
web: freetalklive.com
link: https://soundcloud.com/freetalklive/free-talk-live-2017-11-26

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Free Talk Live
Free Talk Live 2017-11-27
Nov 27, 2017 at 22:14 · 2:11:51
Bitcoin Name Confusion :: Bitcoin Diamond Scam? :: Baltimore Cop Murdered Day Prior to Expected Testimony Against Department in Court :: Forgiveness for Police :: Melanie’s Anti-Cop Rhetoric Offends :: Are all cops bad? :: Dealing With Crime Without Police :: El Caper? :: Robot Wants a Family :: Rapid Transit Boondoggle :: Edgington Post AFTERSHOW with Ryan Bourne :: HOSTS - Ian, Melanie
web: freetalklive.com
link: https://soundcloud.com/freetalklive/free-talk-live-2017-11-27

Melanie’s got it right on cops. Ian says that she “collectivizes” them, but the fact is they “collectivize” themselves.

They join a gang.

They put on the gang’s colors.

They pledge to act as the gang’s enforcers.

Doing those things is a public offer to do harm, the “assault” element of “assault and battery.” It is an initiation of force. We are under no obligation to disbelieve their sworn oaths and the message their gang colors intentionally deliver until they are actually physically following through, any more than we are under an obligation to wait until the crazy guy waving a gun at us and screaming that he’s going to kill us actually pulls the trigger.

If you don’t want people to assume you’re a violent gangster, don’t put on the gang’s colors, pledge to enforce the gang’s edicts, and take a paycheck from funds the gang stole from its victims. It’s not “collectivizing” you to notice that you’ve done those things and respond accordingly.

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If I said all kidnappers were bad no libertarian would accuse me of “collectivizing.” Or robbers, murders, rapists, etc. But for some reason libertarians and anarchists act confused when you call an action by its State name. Being a cop is an action, not a status.

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The big issue I had with the discussion is that you call the murder of random cops “bad strategy,” but didn’t object to it morally. You said it was a bad idea, but you made it sound like it was only a bad idea because it was impractical. If one could safely kill random cops without getting caught, would you say he is acting morally? Seems like an incredible stretch. Just because any given cop is likely to be go after people for victimless crimes doesn’t mean that the specific cop someone is going to attack HAS done that. Seems like a pretty absurd position honestly.

I don’t. And personal safety is not the only thing that can make something bad strategy.

Cops enforce the State. By definition. If the State is immoral then so are cops. If the State is a NAP violation then so are cops.

The claim that any given cop has not committed aggression as a cop is suspect, but its also irrelevant. The reason why its a bad thing that there are cops isn’t because they have committed aggression, its because they continue to commit aggression and announce their intention to do so. A cop is a little bit more than “likely” to enforce victimless crimes- he has announced his intention to do so in a credible manner that rises to the level of assault.

Retired, former, and ex cops have committed aggression against people. But they are not an active threat. And unless you personally have retaliatory (or unrelated defensive) force on them and you use force against them, you are committing aggression. Are they a sympathetic victim? Usually not, but that has nothing to do with the NAP.

If someone without a badge announced “whenever I wear my green elephant shirt, I will kidnap anyone who I see with drugs, operating a business without giving me a cut, not abiding by my opinions on schooling, not giving me 10-40% of their income, etc” then earns a reputation of following through, are they an aggressor when they personally wear that shirt uninvited to your front door?

If someone announces “I rob taco trucks on Tuesdays,” then every Tuesday for 18 years they rob a taco truck, and a taco truck owner sees them approaching on a Tuesday, is that person aggressing? When can the business owner defend themselves?

If someone puts a gun to your head and says they’ll shoot you if you don’t give them some sum of money carrying between your wallet and half of your yearly income, can you respond before they shoot you?

There are many ways to communicate your intent to aggress against someone. The fact that the police have chosen a particularly weird way to do it does not strip their victims of the right to self-defense.

Gang colors. No moral issue.

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Free Talk Live
Free Talk Live 2017-11-28
Nov 28, 2017 at 22:15 · 2:02:35
UK Political Scene on College Campus :: China Plant Explosion in Ohio :: African Governments Spreading Fear About Bitcoin :: Asset Forfeiture :: Ultra Extreme Free State Project :: Bitcoin Time Traveler :: Millions of Lost Bitcoin :: Bitcoin Outreach :: Crypto Paradigm Shift :: Type One Civilization :: Communism :: Accusations Against Hollywood Stars and Scientology :: Anti-Smoking Ads :: HOSTS - Ian, Johnson, Will
web: freetalklive.com
link: https://soundcloud.com/freetalklive/free-talk-live-2017-11-28

Free Talk Live
Free Talk Live 2017-11-29
Nov 29, 2017 at 22:13 · 2:01:36
Bitcoin Rollercoaster :: State Control of Bitcoin :: Nobel Prize Winner Says Bitcoin Should be Banned :: Bitcoin Manipulation? :: Coinbase Loses Case Vs IRS :: Another Banker Attacks Bitcoin :: Smoking at the Bus Stop :: Venezuela Currency Death Spiral? :: HOSTS - Ian, Will, Mike
web: freetalklive.com
link: https://soundcloud.com/freetalklive/free-talk-live-2017-11-29

Who else likes Mike on the show?

Hey Mike I forget which is our tag name but come on the show more! Wednesday night was lit! I love the flow between Will, Mike, and Ian!

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Free Talk Live
Free Talk Live 2017-11-30
Nov 30, 2017 at 22:35 · 2:01:21
Free Talk Live from the Free State Bitcoin Shoppe :: Bitcoiner From the Future :: Pump and Dump Government Conspiracy :: Ridiculous Predictions :: Smartphone Addiction :: Derrick J Freeman from Free State Bitcoin Shoppe :: US Dollar Insult? :: Holding vs Spending Crypto :: Tipping With Crypto :: Hosts - Darryl, Ian, Will
web: freetalklive.com
link: https://soundcloud.com/freetalklive/free-talk-live-2017-11-30

FIRST, the bitcoin shoppe is super tiny- but I have to agree it’s cute as heck! Google images my dude, if you want to know.

Secondly, Darryl mentioned to put your phone on gray scale if you have a bad phone addiction (which I have). I now have a headache and feel vomitiy lol I’m having withdraws…

Lastly, I am really torn with the last segment where Will bought coffee with cash. I hope someone calls in again and mentions this topic again- it needs to be explored more.

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Free Talk Live
Free Talk Live 2017-12-01
Dec 1, 2017 at 23:27 · 2:02:37
FTL Broadcasts from Free State Blockchain Conference :: Kanaka.co Marketplace :: Gresham’s Law and Cryptocurrency :: Libertarian State Rep Caleb Dyer :: Young Entrepreneur Starts Bitcoin Mug Business at Age Six :: Bruce Fenton, Event Organizer, Joins Us :: Patrick Binder from Liberty.menu :: Doug Scribner from Vault Logic :: Paige Peterson from Zcash : HOSTS - Ian, Darryl
web: freetalklive.com
link: https://soundcloud.com/freetalklive/free-talk-live-2017-12-01

Free Talk Live
Free Talk Live 2017-12-02
Dec 2, 2017 at 22:32 · 2:02:07
Mall Owner Gets Court Order to Force Teavana Stores to Stay Open! :: Simon Property Group :: Failing, Desperate Malls :: Reason to Go to Malls :: Mall Santas :: Chilling Effects on Mall Business :: Sex Abuse Allegations’ Damage to Society? :: Affirmative Consent :: Divide and Conquer :: Banned from College :: Don’t Ask Permission :: Female Army Inspectors Attempt to Coerce Sex :: College Sorority Sisters and Porn :: College Hazing :: HOSTS - Ian, Chris R.
web: freetalklive.com
link: https://soundcloud.com/freetalklive/free-talk-live-2017-12-02

Starbucks/Teavana leased property from Simon Property Group, and that lease included a “continuous operations covenant” requiring the stores to remain open for the duration of the lease. Starbucks/Teavana wanted to break the lease. Simon Property Group took them to court to enforce the lease.

If Starbucks/Teavana didn’t want to be obligated to keep those stores running, perhaps it shouldn’t have contractually obligated itself to do so.

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Just heard you on the podcast (yeah, I’m a bit behind.) My opinion with Dash is that I like them, but I would not consider going “all in” because they’re an organization. The same feature (government) that makes them attractive as an active mover could be the feature that causes them to become unattractive. Maybe I’m wrong, but it bothers me that they’re potentially “centralizeable.”

For that reason, I’m keeping all my Bitcoin Cash, while at the same time a modest supporter of Dash.

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When you’re on the radio you really don’t think correctly when you talk aloud lol

I wasn’t really trying to say all in because I have at least five different cryptos. What I really wanted to convey was that dash would be superior than btc.

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Yeah, I know what you mean. The first few times you call a radio show it can get a little tough to think. If you make some notes for your topics, and call in a few more times, you’ll probably feel more comfortable. I find that if I forget to make notes, I’m not as comfortable.

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