Come one, come all to protest the abominable descent into vile affections and abandonment of one's natural use that is gay marriage at second stop of the National Organization for Marriage's Summer for Marriage Tour 2010.
City Hall Plaza
900 Elm Street
Manchester
Thurs July 15 12pm-1pm
Map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=&q=900+elm+street+manchester+nh&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=900+Elm+St,+Manchester,+NH+03101&gl=us&ei=Hkc3TJb_EYPlnAfnrOX4Aw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA
Joining [bus tour guy] in speaking at the rally will be Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse of the Ruth Institute and Kevin Smith, Executive Director of Cornerstone Policy Research. Dr. Morse is a noted speaker and economist, formerly affiliated with Yale University and the University of Chicago, now committed to promoting an intellectual and social climate favorable to marriage, reaching out to young adults with a positive, upbeat message of lifelong married love.
Kevin Smith is well-known to pro-family activists in New Hampshire, serving as a state legislator and assistant to former Governor Benson before joining Cornerstone, where he is providing outstanding leadership in defending marriage and the family in New Hampshire. NOM has been privileged to work closely with Cornerstone over the past eighteen months, and we are delighted to have Kevin speak at next Thursday’s rally.
Most importantly, however, the rally provides YOU with the opportunity to come out and connect with other marriage supporters in your home state. Perhaps you will meet up with some old friends. . . . No doubt you’ll make some new friends as well!
If at all possible, I hope you’ll take a long lunch hour next Wednesday and join us at City Hall Plaza as we stand together for marriage as part of NOM’s Marriage Tour 2010!
See you there! And feel free to honk or wave a greeting if you see us on the highway!
http://www.marriagetour2010.com/2010/07/mark-your-calendar-nom-marriage-tour-comes-to-manchester-nh/
Commenting on the rally was Cornerstone Action's Executive Director, Kevin Smith:
“The rally in Manchester next week is primarily being held for two reasons: One, to make clear that
the citizens of New Hampshire still support marriage as one-man, one-woman despite the Legislature
and Governor's radical redefinition, and two, to send the message that we going to hold those who
voted against the will of the people accountable."
http://www.cpraction.org/documents/Press%20Releases/07.09.10%20Marriage%20Rally%20.pdf
Last time I checked nobody was being forced to marry somebody of the same sex. What exactly is your problem?
[quote author=curt link=topic=3499.msg38285#msg38285 date=1278990319]
Last time I checked nobody was being forced to marry somebody of the same sex. What exactly is your problem?
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I hope you can tell he's posting this mockingly. There is a counter-protest planned. I would bet William Lee would be on that side.
That's good to hear.
I read the posting a couple of times, hoping it was satire but finally decided it was not.
I didn't support the big government statist law. It would have been great if it never passed. I'm not really into protesting, though. So I think I'll pass.
[quote author=curt link=topic=3499.msg38288#msg38288 date=1278992476]
That's good to hear.
I read the posting a couple of times, hoping it was satire but finally decided it was not.
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Everything below the Google maps link is copied from their website and press release. I thought the first sentence was dripping with sarcasm when I typed it but I was kind of hoping someone would react as you did. 
But to answer your question above, my main problem is that if free staters don't show up, the only views expressed will be 'state marriage licenses for all' or 'state marriage licenses only for some' but if we do show up we can say 'no state marriage licenses for anyone'. Coconut is right though, I am more sympathetic to the counter protesters and will likely be taunting the social conservatives while chatting up libertarianism and to the gay rights activists.
[quote author=AndLeeStuff link=topic=3499.msg38291#msg38291 date=1278998330]
I didn't support the big government statist law. It would have been great if it never passed. I'm not really into protesting, though. So I think I'll pass.
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But you love all sorts of big government statist law. You're one of the loudest and most enthusiastic supporters of statist laws I've met in the FSP.
[quote author=William Lee link=topic=3499.msg38303#msg38303 date=1279021313]
[quote author=AndLeeStuff link=topic=3499.msg38291#msg38291 date=1278998330]
I didn't support the big government statist law. It would have been great if it never passed. I'm not really into protesting, though. So I think I'll pass.
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But you love all sorts of big government statist law. You're one of the loudest and most enthusiastic supporters of statist laws I've met in the FSP.
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Nah, I'd like to continue to remove laws while evaluating things. I'm not against removing all government if as laws are removed, most conditions continue to improve. Any law that is designed to increase taxes, fees and legal issues is a law I am against. Generally, I'm also against laws which create positive rights since I think positive rights is a made up concept designed as a way explain big government action while lying to everyone with the "rights" label. For example, the law being discussed in this thread.
Have fun at the protest, though.
[quote author=AndLeeStuff link=topic=3499.msg38309#msg38309 date=1279030406]
Generally, I'm also against laws which create positive rights since I think positive rights is a made up concept designed as a way explain big government action while lying to everyone with the "rights" label.
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From a mini-statist POV like yours, that seeks to shrink government incrementally, this is a step in the direction of getting government out of marriage. This law actually removed a positive right from a certain segment of the population, i.e. male/female couples. In fact, it's turning many religious fundamentalists to the libertarian position of getting rid of the positive right altogether as they realize they cannot maintain the positive right of heterosexual marriage.
And frankly, Keith, holding tenaciously on to this comically irrational conservative position is not making you seem less gay. Seriously, it's not.
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[quote author=William Lee link=topic=3499.msg38303#msg38303 date=1279021313]
[quote author=AndLeeStuff link=topic=3499.msg38291#msg38291 date=1278998330]
I didn't support the big government statist law. It would have been great if it never passed. I'm not really into protesting, though. So I think I'll pass.
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But you love all sorts of big government statist law. You're one of the loudest and most enthusiastic supporters of statist laws I've met in the FSP.
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Nah, I'd like to continue to remove laws while evaluating things. I'm not against removing all government if as laws are removed, most conditions continue to improve. Any law that is designed to increase taxes, fees and legal issues is a law I am against. Generally, I'm also against laws which create positive rights since I think positive rights is a made up concept designed as a way explain big government action while lying to everyone with the "rights" label. For example, the law being discussed in this thread.
Have fun at the protest, though.
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Thanks! I'm sure I will have fun at the protest if I can get there. I'm without a vehicle and still need a ride. I agree with you about positive rights but like Dale said, the positive right already existed, the difference is that it is available to everyone rather than being available only to one class of persons to the exclusion of another. Do you really support inequality under the law?
[quote author=Dalebert link=topic=3499.msg38312#msg38312 date=1279031244]
And frankly, holding tenaciously on to this comically irrational conservative position is not making you seem less gay. Seriously, it's not.
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I see you point but I disagree that extending a positive right helps remove it. Even if I was convinced it did, I'd still have to weigh that against the damage it causes to all Americans current and future. Maybe if there was a blue print with a leadership team that could show how within 4 years of passing gay government marriage the damage would be reversed and within 4 years the outcome would be generally positive. Of course, such a thing could never exist.
My view point isn't conservative and there is nothing wrong with being gay. I support people being gay as much as they want to. Hell, I encourage your gayness. Have fun at the protest.
[quote author=William Lee link=topic=3499.msg38313#msg38313 date=1279031829]
Do you really support inequality under the law?
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We are unequal under the law in many, many ways. Increasing that inequity by allowing government gay marriage doesn't seem to solve that problem. I support removing all government marriage and other such laws designed to shrink government and remove inequity, not laws such as government gay marriage designed to increase inequity under the law. Maybe you think allowing government gay marriage decreases inequity, in that case, I think we have a fundamental disagreement.
[quote author=Dalebert link=topic=3499.msg38311#msg38311 date=1279031050]
In fact, it's turning many religious fundamentalists to the libertarian position of getting rid of the positive right altogether as they realize they cannot maintain the positive right of heterosexual marriage.
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They shouldn't have used the government to implement/enforce their moral views in the first place … funny how liberty suddenly becomes appealing when it's your opponent wielding the bigger stick, eh?
But yeah, you're right. You know, when I got married in Canada, the pastor actually suggested that we could have it "just in the church" and not do the legal paperwork. I wasn't quite as liberty minded as I am now, or I might have done it … although immigration would have been a serious headache.
NH: Anti-gay-marriage rally draws mild heckling
My video report from the Manchester marriage rally this afternoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKboX9p1BTQ