Violent self-defense is a great idea… when it has a chance in hell of succeeding.
Violent self-defense agains the State? Might as well shoot back at a falling avalanche for all the good it’ll do.
Bye.
Good riddance! ;D
[quote author=J’raxis 270145 link=topic=1740.msg20976#msg20976 date=1257200047]
Violent self-defense is a great idea… when it has a chance in hell of succeeding.[/quote]
I read this thing when I signed up tonight that says advocating violence is against the rules. So you seem to be violating the rules. Or is it okay to advocate self-defense?
[quote author=J’raxis 270145 link=topic=1740.msg20976#msg20976 date=1257200047]
Violent self-defense agains the State? Might as well shoot back at a falling avalanche for all the good it’ll do.[/quote]
So no one who wears a uniform can ever be wrong? Any attack by anyone with a badge is acceptable, and no one may ever defend themselves? This seems like a bad ideology.
The "relax and enjoy it" school of how to respond to rape.
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[quote author=J’raxis 270145 link=topic=1740.msg20976#msg20976 date=1257200047]
Violent self-defense agains the State? Might as well shoot back at a falling avalanche for all the good it’ll do.[/quote]
So no one who wears a uniform can ever be wrong? Any attack by anyone with a badge is acceptable, and no one may ever defend themselves? This seems like a bad ideology.
The "relax and enjoy it" school of how to respond to rape.
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I’m talking about practicality, not morality here.
[quote author=J’raxis 270145 link=topic=1740.msg23025#msg23025 date=1258956704]I’m talking about practicality, not morality here.[/quote]
No. You are talking criminality, here.
Regarding non-violence. It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks.
Have you ever been the victim of a brutal attack by police?
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[quote author=J’raxis 270145 link=topic=1740.msg23025#msg23025 date=1258956704]I’m talking about practicality, not morality here.[/quote]
No. You are talking criminality, here.
Regarding non-violence. It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks.
Have you ever been the victim of a brutal attack by police?
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And what is it to teach someone to engage in an act whereby he cannot hope to succeed?
[quote author=J’raxis 270145 link=topic=1740.msg25152#msg25152 date=1261984694]And what is it to teach someone to engage in an act whereby he cannot hope to succeed?[/quote]
You have neglected to answer my question. It is a topical question that I asked. Unless you were to answer my question, I would not be willing to dignify your question by answering it.
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[quote author=J’raxis 270145 link=topic=1740.msg23025#msg23025 date=1258956704]I’m talking about practicality, not morality here.[/quote]
No. You are talking criminality, here.
Regarding non-violence. It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks.
Have you ever been the victim of a brutal attack by police?
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Can I answer in place of J'RAXIS ?
My answer is yes , more than once … though only one could be considered brutal . But I grew up on the south side of chicago and getting the business end of a mag light was the norm in the 70's and 80's .
So if I say talking of organized armed retribution is a idiotic idea with ZERO chance of positive effects will that carry weight because I have been beat? You will never ever win a gang fight with the government … never .
If you try and defend yourself they will send back up … you bring ten people they will call a hundred … you bring a hundred they will bring a thousand … surround you … starve you … then just burn you out.
The best you could do is a few machine guns … they have fighter jets and tanks … so stop with the violent rhetoric already . This place advocates a peaceful evolution … if that ain't what you're looking for stop posting.
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[quote author=Thoreau link=topic=1740.msg25119#msg25119 date=1261970971]
[quote author=J’raxis 270145 link=topic=1740.msg23025#msg23025 date=1258956704]I’m talking about practicality, not morality here.[/quote]
No. You are talking criminality, here.
Regarding non-violence. It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks.
Have you ever been the victim of a brutal attack by police?
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Can I answer in place of J'RAXIS ?
My answer is yes , more than once … though only one could be considered brutal . But I grew up on the south side of chicago and getting the business end of a mag light was the norm in the 70's and 80's .
So if I say talking of organized armed retribution is a idiotic idea with ZERO chance of positive effects will that carry weight because I have been beat? You will never ever win a gang fight with the government … never .
If you try and defend yourself they will send back up … you bring ten people they will call a hundred … you bring a hundred they will bring a thousand … surround you … starve you … then just burn you out.
The best you could do is a few machine guns … they have fighter jets and tanks … so stop with the violent rhetoric already . This place advocates a peaceful evolution … if that ain't what you're looking for stop posting.
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+1
sometimes theres simply no alternative to violent self defense.If my life,home,people i care about or my property is going to be taken away from me through violence then it will be met with violence,theres not much choice in the matter.The native americans fought with no hope of winning,they had no choice,they fought,they died and I would rather lay down and be able to have it said that i tried instead of submitting to the idea that theres no hope.The only way there is no hope is when the idea of having no hope makes its way into your heart then youre finished.Theres always hope until the last free person dies.I will die defending whats mine if need be,my home,country,friends.Those things will never be taken from me if i stand in the way.I'm not advocating violence here,im the most peaceful person you'll ever hope to meet.But,as in everything else theres a limit and thats how it should be.Theres always hope unless its given up on.
It seems to me that if you pointlessly sacrifice your life in a fight that you cannot hope to win, just so you can say that you fought, that is the very definition of giving up hope. Choosing not to be violent certainly doesn't mean giving up hope. I'm one of the most optimistic libertarians you can meet, I think. I believe that freedom is inevitable, a natural stage of human evolution that we are approaching, probably in our lifetimes. I am a long way from feeling hopeless.
Peace and freedom are synonymous and you can't fight your way to peace. Peace is a path; not a destination. It's a logical contradiction.
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It seems to me that if you pointlessly sacrifice your life in a fight that you cannot hope to win, just so you can say that you fought, that is the very definition of giving up hope. Choosing not to be violent certainly doesn't mean giving up hope. I'm one of the most optimistic libertarians you can meet, I think. I believe that freedom is inevitable, a natural stage of human evolution that we are approaching, probably in our lifetimes. I am a long way from feeling hopeless.
Peace and freedom are synonymous and you can't fight your way to peace. Peace is a path; not a destination. It's a logical contradiction.
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Actually Dalebert the point i was trying to make is if im going to die whether if by submitting and dying anyway or by fighting,i'll die by fighting.Its those that have submitted that have given up hope,prime example the jewish people being led to the gas chambers.Stranger things have happened than a small force defeating an overwhelming one.