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[quote author=zholzapfel link=topic=2347.msg27603#msg27603 date=1264773860]
And "all" they get is inordinately more than people who do business voluntarily, and with essentially no oversight. Like I said, taxes go overwhelmingly to the people who call theirselves government and their friends/supporters. The "dispersal" you speak of happens only after the parasites take their cut. It is inherent to the system, and cannot be fixed as long as people accept monopoly government.
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Please learn how to quote. There's a nice Preview button to help you.
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and the "fault" for that lies with whom? you, for not realizing your value as an employee and negotiating a higher wage (along with many otheres earning 40k in the privet sector) or GW fof doing so on their behalf?
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That's right, the reason a criminal enterprise pays so well is quality "negotiation".
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Oh, just one more thing (said in the fameous Columbo style), Do you know WHY, the average private sector worker only makes 40k? Its because of the high population of people under the age of 25 that were counted in the study! Also how many people are in government? lets just say a BIG number 30,000,000 which is roughly 10% of the population. Percentages of 90% are GOING to be less than Percentages of 10% unless the pay for the 10% truly sucks.
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I suppose no one under 25 works in government, right? But even if hundreds of thousands of young people weren't catching bullets, the gap trend would still be significant. Either you're functionally illiterate, or you didn't bother to read the article (and apparently missed the first-hand account entirely). Let me point out some key facts:
[]Across-the-board raises of 3% in January 2008, 3.9% in January 2009, and 2% pay raises in January 2010. Most federal workers also get longevity pay hikes—called steps—that average 1.5% per year.
[]When the Federal Aviation Administration chief's salary rose, nearly 1,700 employees' had their salaries lifted above $170,000, too.
In case it wasn't clear, the pay divide is increasing. So, does government work attract super-productive Übermenschen deserving these increases, or those who just want a cut of the extorted wealth?
And most importantly of all, by what rationale is it acceptable to do business through force and deception?
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You dont like how I quote? are you asking me or are you going to"force" me to post like you do and everyone else does? i get it if its inconvienient and hard to follow, however, if its a sarcastic comment, then…no previews, just posts =oP
Lol i see your point and definitly see your sarcasim…now your calling me names, functionally illiterate? What is sad, is that I, along with many others who post here, believe in tolerance of opinion while respectfully disagreeing on certain topics. The thing about your posts are, that your so focused on your point, that you fail…to see any others, or the right of an oppsing one. Remember what I said about believing things you read…studies…all studies are fabricated to a purposeful outcome. Even "scientivif" studies. Just check your sources and do a little ligitimeit research…please =oP.
also, go ahead and name with cited sources 10 people under 25 that are not interns in government. lol besides, that wasnt even the point! If you would have not let ur anger to cloud your mind, you would have seen that I only stated that the study included ALL americans and percentages of those in relation to the SMALL amount of people in government in general. Also, are you against people earning a living? What do you do…no disrecpect, but if your so eager minded to reduce government and get your own way…why dont you run for office? It seems the only other option…at least in your line of thinking…is to lead a small scale revolt. Of course, we all know how that will turn out…civil war 2 anyone?
Luckly, most of the opinions generated here are good ones, based on freedom and liberty. Radical as they may be, they remain good ones, however, your lack of ability to sufficiently argue a point while keeping anger out of it when someone is in opposition is just one more chance for you to…maybe, grow as a person ;D .
[quote author=zholzapfel link=topic=2347.msg28067#msg28067 date=1265081684]
You dont like how I quote? are you asking me or are you going to"force" me to post like you do and everyone else does? i get it if its inconvienient and hard to follow, however, if its a sarcastic comment, then…no previews, just posts =oP
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There is a system for quoting others and using it improperly tends to greatly reduce the readability of posts. Difficult to read posts are often quickly rejected by readers, and if a regular occurrence their owners are often ignored, either with the ignore button or the filter in the brain. This is obviously not conductive to getting an idea across. The same applies to English spelling and grammar conventions. Further, if somebody does read a poorly quoted post and wants to reply with a quote, they may feel that it is necessary to rebuild the quote tags and post correctly to avoid the same perceptions. This inconveniences them and reduces the likelihood of the reply happening, thus reducing discussion on the board.
This is not to say I expect every post to be perfect, nor that mine somehow are, just that I think it is worth the time and effort to try and get it right.
[quote] There is a system for quoting others and using it improperly tends to greatly reduce the readability of posts. Difficult to read posts are often quickly rejected by readers, and if a regular occurrence their owners are often ignored, either with the ignore button or the filter in the brain. This is obviously not conductive to getting an idea across. The same applies to English spelling and grammar conventions. Further, if somebody does read a poorly quoted post and wants to reply with a quote, they may feel that it is necessary to rebuild the quote tags and post correctly to avoid the same perceptions. This inconveniences them and reduces the likelihood of the reply happening, thus reducing discussion on the board.
This is not to say I expect every post to be perfect, nor that mine somehow are, just that I think it is worth the time and effort to try and get it right. [/quote]
Excellent! a common sense approach. I wonder if this type of social interaction between the person/s who believe something is right/wrong and the person commiting the act of which a person or persons disagree/agree is the way Laws are formed (the ones that are victimless).