Expanding & extending the 'Free State' concept

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#7

I understand that the state motto “live free or die” was the basis for calling libertarians to move to New Hampshire.

I co-ran the original vote, so I can say that there were a gazillion criteria in our spreadsheet (e.g. population, border state, ocean access, low amount of federally-owned land, accessibility of politics), and a gazillion more discussed in the forum, but the primary criterion for shortlisting was population. The first several thousand signers then voted among 10 candidate states. NH won, followed by WY, MT, and ID. Wisdom of the crowd.

I wish I had a bitcoin for every time someone questioned the choice, proposed some other trump criterion (I’m looking at you, Tim Condon), or proposed an entirely different approach (town, foreign country, ship). A lot of us from warm states (e.g. Ian here was in Florida) were skeptical of the decision, but I doubt that any experienced participants question it now. This does not mean that NH is the best place for every individual.

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#8

All I can say is FIND YOUR TRIBE! For those in the know, it’s the only way to even get close to living how you want to live. You have to consolidate. www.sovereigncigar.club is trying to help people understand this. But they get no love from the FSP that’s for sure.

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#9

“My tribe” (real libertarians) have no desire to move to a state where Biden won by 7+ points!

Unless you focus on a specific non-communist sub-region of NH it is pointless.

I’ve been saying this from the beginning, and I was proven right. I originally suggested that FSP target just one island in Alaska. I did support NH after it was chosen, but gotta face the facts - it was a mistake.

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#10

Which wanker from the Duopoly won the presidency is interesting, but only one criterion of many. Which state legislature flipped in 2020? Only NH, to the GOP. How about gun rights? How about education freedom? How about a million other objective measures?

After NH won the state vote, a few disgruntled people started Free State Wyoming and moved there. Everybody’s got an opinion.

real libertarians
And there we go with the “more libertarian than thou” crap. Is this a bot?

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#11

You are not a libertarian.

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#12

This is an articulate discussion of the significance of Biden’s win over Trump in NH:

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#13

You’ve heard of the Dominion voting machines right ? I was listening to an interview with a N.H. doctor who spoke with Project Veritas that was convinced the presidential votes were flipped. Doesn’t that sound strange and yet be the only state in the last election to entirely flip to an all Republican state government ? Hmmm.

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#14

You are not a libertarian.

Your avatar is Milton Friedman, who defended things far more cringe-worthy than Trump.

#15

You should avoid talking about things you know nothing about.

#16

You should avoid talking about things you know nothing about.

This is exactly why I gave up on the Free State Project. Anonymous cowards, whose libertarian credentials are many orders of magnitude below my own, shitting on me for no good reason.

I’ve been a tax resister since 2004. I’ve read more libertarian philosophy than you would in a dozen lifetimes. I do civil disobedience every fucking day. I’ve devoted my whole life to this.

#17

Lol aright bro.

#18

You on another thread:

Yes, personal secession is the way. We need to support each other in order for it to work though. Preferential treatment when buying, selling, hiring, protection. Like a real community.

You on this thread, for no coherent reason:

You are not a libertarian.

(The worst possible insult for someone like me.)

Are you suffering from schizophrenia?

#19

You vote. Therefore, you are anti-liberty. Not only do you vote, you vote for Trump. You have no inkling of what liberty is. You are a clueless hack, sheep, at the very start of the Dunning-Kruger scale.

You are a 350lbs sack of dead weight for all who support freedom. You, and people like you are what make the matrix possible. Calling you a Cypher would be a compliment. You surpass joke status, you are worse than a meme, people like you are what give voluntaryism (and libertarianism for that matter) a bad name.

You are a stat, a pawn, a drone, a pleb. In case you haven’t noticed yet, this is a liberty forum. You have not personally seceded so why would I support you? Why would I want you in my community? How could you ever add to my community in a positive way? You are the type of person John Galt would cut from the motors try-outs first.

Metamorphosis usually takes a while and is painful. If I had to guess I would say you have never had the opportunity to experience the type of pain and struggle that allows a person grow mentally/physically/spiritually.

I said my piece. I hope this helps you understand. None of this is supposed to be insulting. I’m just explaining what I perceive. All the best.

#20

so far all this stuff other than new hamspshire seems like little more than talk , fundraisers, Thai boats raiding house sized sea-steads and liberland activists in neoUstasha jails. other than some bad PR for some governments, little of value has come of all this “second free state” stuff. why make it all so complicated? Just get your ass up here.

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#21

You vote. Therefore, you are anti-liberty.

You are not only insulting me, but all the people who’ve discovered libertarian philosophy through the political campaigns of people like Ron Paul and Harry Browne. They were able to reach as many people as they did thanks to people like me, donating and voting. I’ve been stating for decades that this is the primary reason for engaging in political campaigns.

What have YOU accomplished?

Not only do you vote, you vote for Trump.

I promoted the Libertarian Party up to and including 2016, when it still had more credibility than Trump.

This changed in 2020: the LP was hijacked by SJW-appeasing “useful idiots”, while Trump had a proven track record of improving economic freedom, counter-punching the socialist propaganda machine, holding back the Chinese Communist Party, repealing Net Neutrality, and other things that rational libertarians who understand the difference between ideals and tactics should support.

And now I’m working to turn Trump supporters towards secession.

What have YOU accomplished?

You are a clueless hack, sheep, at the very start of the Dunning-Kruger scale.

This is why I advocate for standardized tests and certifications, which would make the intellectual difference very clear…

What’s most astonishing is that you’re using the name and face of “Milton Friedman” (a milquetoast pragmatist Beltway minarchist) while pushing an 8-year-old’s understanding of Anarcho-Capitalism…

You are a 350lbs sack of dead weight for all who support freedom.

No, I carry my own weight.

You have not personally seceded so why would I support you?

You, an anonymous coward, want to get into a tax resistance dick-measuring contest with Alex Libman?

Why would I want you in my community?

“Your community”?

I have a very long and complicated relationship with the Free State Project, and I’ve been very gravely disappointed. I prefer to work alone.

But I still have some affinity and respect for individuals like Ridley, the Kannings, Ian (despite his terrible transgressions), Mark Edge, and others. That’s why I occasionally pop in.

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#22

Just get your ass up here.

I pay zero taxes here in NJ, zero interactions with government (since I won my little civil disobedience war). I live in the woods. I have things burred in the ground all over. I know how to earn good cash and survive here without risking Federal Prison. I work on my own projects, at my own pace. I help people.

Why should I give that up just to be near people who show me no respect? I don’t need anyone.

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#23

I’m fairly certain you are here to ruin the Shire society forum.

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#24

why is your tribe at or moving to?
are you already there or headed there?
are we your tribe? are you hoping we join your tribe?

#25

sounds like you might be happy there … can you connect with any of your tribe there?

#26

Updated link. Sovereignempire.online