It wasn't any one comment. It was a pattern of behavior. I was already fairly convinced that he was mainly here to stir up shit being purposefully and unnecessarily argumentative.
I didn't know this was the perception of me. I assure you I always try being lighthearted, cordial and constructive. I hope you don't think that your characterizations of me hold much water outside of the two posts I've contributed here on general. Not to thread bleed, but a lot of the vigor that went into my critiques in this thread was fueled by how I perceive I'm being written off instead of addressed. I'm really glad about some of the responses to my post because I actually felt like they were talking to me and not down to me.
I'm sorry you found my opinions to be trivial. I don't know how to prove to you that I'm being genuine when I voice these concerns. If by judging me a troll and not taking my motives at my word is your way of writing me off, I guess I can't do anything about it. I don't think I've given you any cause to distrust me really, I'm the same person in every post. I'm glad I was entertaining to some of you through some of my silliness, I understand it can send mixed messages but it's just how I am. I'd rather be happy and deal with topics through lighthearted discourse, the jokes are just in there to break up the monotony; I don't think I'm actually acting for attention, most of the humor I do is for myself.
Skeptikos, overall, I want to thank you for responding to me. Again I want to thank you for taking your time to hear me out and then respond to my comments. I'll try to quickly run through your points.
It sure did take an awful lot of time. An awful lot. There's nothing in this thread that could possibly warrant that much writing. Maybe you get a perverse pleasure out of writing pointless legal briefs, or maybe you like wasting people's time (or both). I don't understand how you can, on the one hand, clog the forum with so much writing about such a trivial issue, and, on the other hand, profess to like all of us and want to treat us with respect.
I have admited before I am highly legalistic, but I'd like to think I choose my battles. I'm sorry reading this was a waste of your time. To your misunderstanding, I don't see my issues as trivial so these points aren't mutually exclusive to me.
Your "reasoned discussion" is pure sophistry and your "community oriented" motivations are totally implausible.
Given that, it certainly appears that you are badgering Ian, and his terse reply is an appropriate strategy for avoiding a pointless, time-wasting debate with a dishonest poster.
Sophistry could be a fair assessment, especially because you don't really trust me. Though, I'm deeply sorry you think I'm dishonest. It makes my heart sink to hear that.
There's a difference between discourse and trolling.
After you try (and fail) at discourse, and you keep dragging out the issue for no apparent reason, it becomes trolling.
I may have failed with Ian, but I was speaking to anyone at that point. I'm glad I got the recognition and explanations of so many moderators with my post. Again, I'm sorry you see me as trolling but I believe I had a very apparent reason.
"array of different arguments"? "reasoned arguments"? You made the vague, unexplained assertion that Ian, by refraining from posting a basically irrelevant number on a discussion forum, is somehow hurting the liberty movement. It's such a weak "argument" that (apparently) nobody on the forum has even felt the need to address it.
This is sadly the type of critique / response I was looking for. To this I would say you're forgetting I'm new here. If the mods are this hostile or unhelpful towards a simple information request; then what am I to glean about how this may effect my topics and the community in the future. What are the mod's roles if not to follow the rules stated, are they there to protect me at all? How can someone expect consistency if there are grey unstated areas mods don't discuss with you? Is there any kind of recourse process members have available to appeal to other moderators if they feel a mod made a bad call, how are they held accountable? These are all tenants of my 'reasoned arguments'. My citation of future effects of the liberty movement within this forum would be a logical extreme.
That's kind of a bizarre impression to have. My impression was that he [serious splinters] was just here to complain about the moderation.
That is what nearly every post of his was about, after all.
I didn't look at any Splinters posts really, as denoted. I don't know what his deal was with you guys. My concern was only pertinent if he was in fact banned for a post like the aforementioned, he seemed like he was being a pretty nice guy there.
if he was booted for that comment above, I feel pretty scared that I'll be next and for me that would be a very sad thing.
If your posts so far are typical of what you intend to post in the future, then I would count it as a blessing.
I'm kind of unclear as to what you mean here.
I hope that, just because I'm not there with you all, my opinion in this community is not in some way diminished to you. I don't think that would be an attitude very conducive in alluring outsiders to the board. :/
There's only one person I've seen who has had an issue with this, and it was a guy who seemed (to me) to be insane. Most new people understand that, to some degree, this is a logical mindset. So far it's been perfectly "conducive in alluring" reasonable new members.
I agree, it is logical to think that way; I've denoted your point a few times. I just expected more clarity of bias from the liberty folks, I see them acting very outgoing in all the media they put out, why wouldn't I expect to come into a fun open community? So far the lack of the benefit of doubt given to my points in this conversation has been disheartening, but I get it's probably because you think I'm lying to you. I'm sorry we, socially, think it's reasonable to have a diminished opinion of someone just because they're not from your social group or geographical location. I think it's much more productive to look at the points and opinions one makes and then form an opinion of them.
If I were you, I would start by scrapping the stupid, annoying butt pics. After that, I would stop trolling the moderators. Then I would make an effort to make positive contributions to the forum. Since "This forum is intended for discussion of liberty activism and community in the Shire", a positive contribution would be something along those lines. It's a strategy which has worked pretty well for me over the years.
If I were trying to get banned, however, I would keep digging myself further into a hole by trying to debate forum moderators for no legitimate reason, I would refrain from posting anything constructive, and I would make sure to litter the forum with annoying butt spam. Oh, and I would use a screenname which suggests that I'm only here to be a troll.
Ok, good advice, I'll try and make some changes. The on topic of butt pictures, while I note your dissatisfaction in them, it's kinda my shtick to lighten the posts and leave you with something clever (sometimes ;P). I will try to tone it down more if it bugs you that much; though they've been fairly PG.
True, but most new people here have no problems interacting within the forum rules. Both splinters and BG showed up about the same time with similar intentions. In fact, I've seen them both online here at 5am. My guess is they know each other.
I was going to say that my guess was Serious was putting his Splinter in Genie's Butt.
That's pretty funny SeanD, I agree, anal sex is always hilarious.
But to both yours and Ian's concerns, I honestly don't know the guy; which I realize adds a surprise context to your joke and makes the situation even funnier. Also funny, the assertion that because two people are online at around the same times, they must know each other and be conspiring!
To MaineShark, I want to thank you for trying to understand an outsiders perspective, if that's what I'm to glean from your posts.
As I read the responses further, I'd like to just generally apologize to you if these individual disputes have colored your perceptions of my activity overall, I urge you to go look at my other posts - I assure you they're much more lighthearted and probably what you would deem to be constructive. As stated before, while I may be very legalistic especially in debating and bombastic by nature, I'd like to think I'm at least respectful to the persons. Also, happy Friday!
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