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Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« on: October 24, 2008, 10:37:17 AM »
I've about had it.  I want to help Varrin out in the election, but I'm having a tough time justifying participating.  Even though I could sign my name with All Rights Reserved, as I did last time, I feel like my position of opting out will be stronger if I rescind the affidavit of domicile and voter registration.

Anyone else in Keene want to unregister?

This of course will also mean I can not participate in the "Nobody" candidates plan that we've been talking about.  So, I'm still a little torn.


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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 10:41:04 AM »
When Russell went and tried this, the city clerk didn't like my camera too much.  Perhaps we could set up an appointment in advance to talk to her about it, so she's not surprised.  It was a spur of the moment idea before.  Here's the footage:


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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2008, 11:38:36 AM »
I know how you feel Ian, its a double edged sword.

Here's how I feel.

If I register to vote then am I consenting to the system that I feel is broken beyond repair. By supporting the system I am helping others to hurt others and I don't want to do that.

In not consenting to the system I feel I'm also not supporting others who could change the system to make it harm less people.

In the end for me it comes down to variations of evil, to which I must decide to do no direct harm and do that by not registering and not voting.

Although registering with the intent to un-register might work. Dunno, I've got too much on my mind lately with other things like 'criminal punishment', moving to New Hampshire, and being under the weather to really devote time to this right now.

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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2008, 11:08:09 AM »
I absolutely intend to unregistere but I have to do it in Manchester.

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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2008, 02:43:09 PM »
Dale,

What if you registered in Keene to get it transferred over, and then worked with Ian to get both your names removed in Keene?

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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2008, 03:58:51 PM »
Julia and Mark's points made me feel guilty.  I still like the idea of helping Varrin and running the "nobody" candidates.  I feel like if I sign "All Rights Reserved" above my signature, it makes it clear I am not consenting to the system.

At the same time, I still don't want to be part of the system, but if they won't let me unregister, then I might as well throw a wrench in.   (Zaphar called Talkback and asked the clerk - she said you can't unregister.)
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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2008, 04:34:07 PM »
I still want to be able to vote against shitty legislation and to help vote for pro-liberty candidates.

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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2008, 04:40:05 PM »
I heard, I almost called.

Would you tear up your credit cards and never close the account?

I changed the automatic bidder I use for ebay, should I have left the old one open?

What about trade groups I no longer associate with? Should I leave my name on their membership lists?

The LP, should you have stayed on their membership rolls despite moral objections to their current policies? Afterall, it's more work for them to remove you. It's a waste of their time Ian! How could you be so inconsiderate?

Sorry, if government doesn't want to create an easy process to terminate the voter contract, that's their fault. They are only going to see more and more, so I suggest they figure something out, or I'll soon be dropping by with my cameras wanting to know why they refuse remedy.  It will make a great story. :)  

Mark wants you to hang on to his method of change. The "What did we move to New Hampshire for if your not going to vote!?!?" comment made that perfectly clear to me. I think it's based in his fear of the consequences for the route your taking and what it could mean for the show. It's also challenging his belief system which still believes in government, because it's hard for people like Mark to understand the practical aspect of how we get from here to a free market society. In the mean time, he seems happy to continue endorsing them, hoping that one day somebody else will change things. I can't say I blame him, it's scary to go up against the gang.

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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2008, 04:51:26 PM »
At the same time, I still don't want to be part of the system, but if they won't let me unregister, then I might as well throw a wrench in.   (Zaphar called Talkback and asked the clerk - she said you can't unregister.)


Yea, and you have to sign all the paperwork at court too.

If they told Zaphar there is no process, I suggest we draft a letter in the form of a tort, stating their claim, the reputation damage, and that no remedy for removing oneself from the voter rolls.

Let's ask them for a response in writing, and let them claim on the record that no remedy exists. That will get their attention. I'm guessing it might even jog their memory on how to remove people. We can bring it up on talkback next week too.

I'm not going to stand for bullshit like this. If they don't understand the "fancy words" their system uses, and want to claim ignorance, so be it. It's going to be an expensive route for the CITY OF KEENE, Inc.
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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2008, 05:19:09 PM »
Heh, I like where this is going.  How goes the home sale?
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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2008, 05:24:49 PM »
Well, the measure guy for new carpet left off the living room, so that cost a few days. However, my rep Tom at Home Depot just called. (He's watched my videos and is a fan now)  It looks like I could have new carpet in by Thursday. I'm going up to check the color he found for me. Bathtub was refinished, so I'll be on the market next week. :) I'm moving between Christmas and New Years. I have the time off work, I'm having a big going away party and heading up It's going to work out. :)


Back on topic: A contract with no remedy other than death is slavery. I don't even think they realize what they are saying sometimes, just sitting back in their monopoly position doing what they want. I was going to leave my registration here, but I may transfer it up to take them on.
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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2008, 05:31:27 PM »
No transfer is necessary.  Just register up here.  Perhaps try with "All Rights Reserved" and see if they take it.
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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2008, 06:36:29 PM »
Registration is a transfer. When you register you car in the Shire from the Sunshine State, you are transfering ownership from the Sunshine State to the Shire. The same applies to voting.

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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2008, 06:42:07 PM »
Registration is a transfer. When you register you car in the Shire from the Sunshine State, you are transfering ownership from the Sunshine State to the Shire. The same applies to voting.

I believe FL still thinks I am registered, but I don't know for sure.
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Re: Anyone else want to unregister to vote?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2008, 07:05:16 PM »
To vote? Crap.....FTL is on, where is that stream link!